Dr. John Swinton is a registered nurse and Chair in Divinity and Religious Studies at the University of Aberdeen in Scotland. This bonus episode features the full-length interview with Dr. Swinton discussing the importance of love, empathy, and friendship in the midst of a pandemic. He invites ministry leaders to consider the disorientation and confusion of this season through the lens of the passion of Jesus. Portions of this bonus episode were first shared in the episode entitled 'Trauma and Friendship'.